Afghanistan: Obama's Vietnam?


Posted by Helena Cobban
September 27, 2009 3:53 PM EST | Link
Filed in Afghanistan , Obama presidency

There's a rapidly growing discussion here in the US about "what to do in Afghanistan." Some of it is thoughtful, well-informed, and serious. Like this piece by Rajiv Chandrasekaran in today's WaPo, which argues that the two best options look to be "Go all-in, or fold."

(Actually, that's only one choice, since the US citizenry and budget are quite incapable of doing what would be needed to "go all-in" in that very distant and logistically intimidating country.)

I note that one aspect of the way path forward that just about nobody in the US discourse has yet started talking/writing about is the idea, that I consider crucial, that it does not have to be, indeed should not be, the US that dominates all decisionmaking and international action regarding Afghanistan, going forward.

Members of the US commentatoriat are so US-centric! It still boggles my mind. I suppose that right now, this is still part of the legacy of the 1990s, when the US was the sole and uncontested Uber-power in the world...

Anyway, that caveat notwithstanding, Frank Rich had a fascinating piece in today's NYT in which he noted a new aspect of the strong relevance the Vietnam precedent has for the decisions Obama currently faces over Afghanistan.

Rich noted that George Stephanopoulos recently blogged that the latest "must-read book" for members of Obama's "war team" is Lessons in Disaster, a book published last year about a guy called McGeorge Bundy and "the path to war in Vietnam." Bundy was John Kennedy's national security adviser.

Underscoring the book's relevance, Rich notes that when it came out last year, no less a person than Richard Holbrooke, now Obama's chief emissary for Afghanistan and Pakistan, reviewed it (in late November) in the NYT.

Holbrooke's review is well worth reading. He gives some helpful info about the background to the writing of the book. He also refers to a much earlier essay he himself had written about Bundy that he had titled, "“The Smartest Man in the Room Is Not Always Right”, noting that, having known Bundy a little bit, he had had him in mind when he wrote it.

Holbrooke concluded the review with this:

    Bundy never believed in negotiations with the Vietcong or the North Vietnamese. This, coupled with his enduring faith in the value of military force in almost any terrain or circumstance, were his greatest errors. They contributed to a tragic failure. With the nation now about to inaugurate a new president committed to withdraw combat troops from Iraq and succeed in Afghanistan, the lessons of Vietnam are still relevant.
These two little insights into the mind of Richard Holbrooke belie an awareness of the limitations of being "the smartest man" and of the value of military force that I, for one, find a little reassuring.

Much of the current analogizing between the US in Vietnam and the US in Afghanistan focuses on the decisions Kennedy faced in 1961. Other commentaors have focused on decisions faced by his successor, Lyndon Johnson, in 1964.

Last week, I had a couple of good conversations with Dr Jeffrey Record, a very thoughtful guy who teaches at the US Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama, who has written a lot of good studies of the big mistakes the Bush administration made in Iraq.

Record has also studied the US performance in Vietnam very closely. As we talked last week, he explored the 1964-2009 analogy a bit. He noted that in 1964, Johnson faced much the same kind of "big" decision Obama now faces-- whether to increase the US force commitment substantially, or find a way to ramp it down...

And like Obama today, Record said, Johnson was concerned both about trying to win some serious, big-picture reforms in domestic social policy and about the possibility of a political backlash inside the US if he should be seen as "backing down" from the confrontation in Vietnam.

In 1964, Johnson made the fateful decision to escalate. Rather than investing his domestic political capital in defending a decision to de-escalate in Vietnam, he invested it in pushing through a number of important "Great Society" social reforms at home, instead.

Later, the Vietnam part of that decision would come back to haunt him badly...

On balance, then, it seems good that Obama and his people are all reading what sounds to be an excellent study of the decisionmaking of those earlier years.




Comments
Comment from... Alexno, at September 27, 2009 06:49 PM:

If it were the case that the US were serious about the Iranian crisis (I don't believe it, but it is not outside the bounds of possibility), then a stop would have to be put on expansion of the Afghan War. Resources would have to be diverted to confronting Iran. And regarrisoning Iraq.

So many wars, so difficult to concentrate on one.

Comment from... Andrew Steen, at September 29, 2009 10:26 AM:

Helena,

The book I would recommend on Vietnam and which I feel should be essential reading for our warmongering country is "Choosing War: The lost chance for Peace and the Escalation of War in Vietnam" by Fredrik Logevall 1999. As usual, the French tried to talk us out of making a huge mistake and we didn't listen, just like Iraq.

Comment from... Bob Spencer, at September 29, 2009 12:46 PM:

I don’t understand why the President would follow such a simplistic route of a military-first approach.

Not only does this approach not lead to any gains for the Afghans or our interests, but it eliminates the more complex and sophisticated options that would advance any real U.S. interests in the whole South and Central Asia region.

If I understand correctly, one of the arguments that you and others such as Stephen Walt make is that the U.S. is not competent to gain any successes in Afghanistan. I can tell you that one serious comparison to Viet Nam (Actually, Viet Nam is two words, but Americans never even learned to spell two simple words.) is that American never learned about the complexities of Viet Nam politics, and never assessed prospects for achieving any goal based upon reality. The whole pacification and village development strategies never faced up to realities of factional competition and side deals with the Viet Cong. The same exact thing goes on in Afghanistan today---so what does the military have to do with that?

The military will kill as many people as they can, but until Afghanistan can deal with the basics of recruitment of support; facilitating expressions of broad based interest articulation; and assimilating coalitions around broad based interests, the government will implode and multiple factions will fight each other again until a unified force like the Taliban with Pakistan’s support will eventually prevail.

Viet Nam basically imploded, but the Americans never learned about it.

Bob spencer

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