The most intense arguments over U.S. involvement in Iraq do not flare at this point on Capitol Hill or on the campaign trail. Those rhetorical battles pale in comparison to the high-stakes struggle being waged behind closed doors at the Pentagon.
On one side are the "fight-win guys," as some describe themselves. They are led by Gen. David Petraeus and other commanders who argue that the counterinsurgency struggle in Iraq must be pursued as the military's top priority and ultimately resolved on U.S. terms.
In this view, the Middle East
is the most likely arena for future conflicts, and Iraq is the
prototype of the war that U.S. forces must be trained and equipped to
win.
Arrayed
against them are the uniformed chiefs of the
military services who foresee a "broken army" emerging from an all-out
commitment to Iraq that neglects other needs and potential conflicts.
It is time to rebuild Army tank battalions, Marine amphibious forces
and other traditional instruments of big-nation warfare -- while
muddling through in Iraq.
About Gates, however, what Hoagie writes is not so encouraging. He
writes that Gates, "has in fact encouraged the spirited debate between
the Petraeus and Fallon-Cody camps without tipping his own hand."
Interestingly, though, he writes that when Centcom chief Adm. William
Fallon was suddenly ousted from his post last month, the cause was not any differences between
him and Gates over the prospect of attacking Iran (or over the big
debate over force configurations). Rather, it was, "Fallon's
rigid, overbearing style and a refusal to listen to others
[that] gradually cost him Gates's confidence, according to military and
civilian officials who worked with Fallon."
That leaves open the possibility that Gates still agrees
with what Fallon has said about the patent folly of the US launching a
military attack on Iran.
6. So, back to this
sinkhole theory of Iraq. How bad is it? What will it leade
to over the next nine months? And how can the next president
minimize the damage caused around the world by the latest series of
disastrous decisions made by Bush/Cheney?
I think for now, I prefer to leave this blog post where it is and
come back to these important big questions later. All I can
sketch out right now is that
what the US military is doing in Iraq to the continuing campaign against Iran
Just to chill things down, There is no attack or war with Iran, it's a psychological war.
"But does this world view raise more questions than it answers? A Los Angeles Times editorial pointed out that the U.S. invasion itself emboldened Iran and Al Qaeda in Iraq, and that Crocker and Petraeus were arguing that the Americans should stay in Iraq because forces unleashed by the invasion itself and describes the predicament Washington has gotten itself into."
"Here's an excerpt from David Fromkin’s 1989 book "A Peace to End all Peace," about the British attempts to control a rebellious Iraq during a troubled British occupation:"
The British were confused as to the origins of the revolt. [British Army Col.] Arnold Wilson submitted a list of thirteen contributing factors, stressing, above all, the involvement of [King] Feisal's supporters and Kemal [Ataturk's] Turkey, perhaps supported he claimed, by American Standard Oil interests. An intelligence officer attached to the India Office produced a chart outlining a conspiracy, implicating Feisal but, even more so, the Turks, who (he asserted) continued to take orders via Moscow and Switzerland from Berlin.
…there was strikingly large body of opinion that held that what had occurred was by outsiders, and that the disorders throughout the east were somehow linked with one another. Certain names continued to recur in the course of British speculations as to the origins of the disorders: Enver Pasha, Mustapha Kamal, Feisal, Pan-Islam, the Germans, Standard Oil, the Jews, and the Bolsheviks.
Posted by: Salah at April 12, 2008 02:54 PM
"Iraq: A sinkhole, not a quagmire"
More accurate nickname that given by US is:
"Iraq: A Spiderhole, not a quagmire"
There were very famos cartoon during 1980 Iraq/Iran war that US media published wildly a bout Iraq at that time.
The cartoon shown Saddam in his military dress with his boot stack in Khomeini's "a.....", it's unfortunate to seen that cartoon have some validity with today US invasion of Iraq
Posted by: Salah at April 12, 2008 03:02 PMGreetings from Beirut. Today is my last day of a 3.5 day stay here - much too brief - and I will head for Damascus by car tomorrow for a stay of about three weeks.
My internet access depends on my hosts' typically very slow and not-always-reliable dial-up connection, as will probably also be the case in Damascus. Courtesy and a desire not to waste too much of the little time I have for these travels demand that I not spend my accustomed several hours a day on the net. Today I am out on my own wandering and exploring, and am using this internet cafe to give my aching muscles a rest! So, at the moment I do not really have time to fully read and consider what you have put on this page. Tonight I am going to an event in a series regarding the civil war, so don't know how much time I will have later. But, I wanted to say something quickly in the way of a first impression. In the meantime, I will try to print it out when I get back to the house, and perhaps read it later tonight.
Sink hole is very apt, Helena! This is, I think, the image I have been searching for for some time. Quagmire is too easy, and there is hope for return from a quagmire, as you said. Or, is it something even more vast than a sink hole? Is it a black hole, perhaps?
"the sinkhole is now poised to swallow up the whole of the US's until-now little questioned position of hegemony in the Middle East, as well as, on a longer but linked time-scale, the position of unipolar military hegemony the US has held over the last 17 years at the global level."
This looks to me like the silver lining around he cloud of the Iraqi situation. I only hope that as the US loses its stranglehold there is not even more suffering and destruction as a result!
But the biggest question on my mind is whether the USA will take Iraq along with it into this sink hole or black hole? And what else will disappear with it?
I still believe, very firmly (and by the way, this is also the opinion of everyone I have spoken to on this trip so far - Iraqi, Lebanese, Jordanian, you name it) that the only hope for Iraq is, as you have stated, a quick, rapid, and complete withdrawal of the US. Interestingly, General Odom said the same thing in front of Congress.
May it be so!
One aspect that you have raised is the US-led world financial system. The real problem with the US leadership in that area is the particularly American folly of using trade as a weapon. (A mistake the British never made). What is happening is that starting with the Cuban embargo and now the Palestine and Iran sanctions trade is moving from dollars to euros. If the Iranians are unable to deal with their trading partners using US dollar L/Cs then trade will be transacted in euros using SWIFT.
Posted by: Advanced Calcu.lus at April 13, 2008 12:15 PMGeneral Odom, a retired three-star, is an all-star in my book. His testimony Wednesday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was a serious strategic analysis of our shockingly awful quicksand war in Iraq. The former Army Assistant Chief Of Staff for Intelligence spoke truth to power, just in case power was listening.
As far as I can tell, Petraeus is more a devil than a divinity,
As I pointed out in my November 2007 essay, Mosul Dam: Engineering a Water WMD, last fall General Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker issued a warning that Mosul Dam was in imminent danger of collapsing and killing some 500,000 Iraqis from Mosul to Baghdad. Call me a cynic, but I thought it worth considering that such a disaster would be a very convenient way to drown the east side of the Sunni triangle. A couple of months after the collapsing dam warning, a brand-new terrifying scenario began to take shape: Muslim extremists, sometimes named as Al Qaeda, were going to blow up the dam. It all seemed like an agreed-upon catastrophe searching around for an agreeable cause, particularly when one of the chief sources pushing the story is Daniel Pipes, the Neocon neo-Nazi:
"King David," as the residence of Mosul call Petraeus, may be just the man to manufacture a biblical disaster to drown Eden. That would make a fine finale in The Tragedy of Iraq, or King George's Genocide. No doubt it would lead to rave reviews by Pipes and his ilk gushing "now that was a real surge!" For those who find the prospect of genocidal mass murder remote, kindly refer to the Old Testament, or to the recent declaration of Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman that, in the event of war with Egypt, Israel should to blow up Egypt's Aswan Dam. It can't be genocide if it's Jewish, the Neocons argue. Whenever Israel does is an "existential necessity" -- it's all part of a kosherkampf, so to speak.
In April, Congress will vote to give George W. Bush and Dick Cheney another $102 billion for Iraq - unless we finally persuade our Representatives to Just Say No.
One of the best ways to persuade a Representative is to hold a town hall meeting and fill the hall with people who care and are willing to speak passionately. (Another way is to turn out a crowd for a town hall that your Representative is already scheduled to attend.)
So we're asking YOU and the 500,000 members of Democrats.com to organize Iraq Town Halls in all 435 Congressional districts on any day in April.
Posted by: Salah at April 13, 2008 02:56 PMShirin, enjoy your trip!
Posted by: Mark Pyruz at April 13, 2008 05:19 PMOne person's "sinkhole" is another's "goldmine." Many Americans have prospered big-time from the blood-money "GWOT goldmine." Two examples: Vice President Cheney was able to purchase a $2.9m house with Halliburton war dividends and Senator Diane Feinstein moved into a sumptuous San Francisco mansion bought with proceeds from her husband's war contracts. And from a recent news report: "Members of the U.S. Congress have as much as $196 million collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense[sic] Department, earning millions since the start of the Iraq war, according to a new study by a nonpartisan research group."
"War is a racket . . the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"--MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC, 1935.
Posted by: Don Bacon at April 14, 2008 01:35 PMIran - the new motivation for US war in Iraq
Last week I joined more than 40 other Minnesota Iraq and Afghanistan veterans to attend the Vets For Freedom, Vets on the Hill event in Washington. There, we joined more than 400 other Iraq and Afghanistan veterans from around the country to tell our political leaders that not only is victory in Iraq possible, it is necessary. All we ask is that the our political leaders not pull the rug out from under us and, more importantly, out from under the Iraqi people now that real progress is finally being made.
From above the US long stay in “A sinkhole” or “a quagmire” was the goal before the war in 2003.
If some goes back and read and review what was behind the curtains the evidence there is US long stay in a quagmire land.
So US is divided in two directions one against the war and one with the war, Michael Honeycutt don’t know if he is solder or commander advising the his leader to stay in Iraq. These guys who went to “sinkhole” came back indorsing their view.
If your argument based on human suffering and human tragedy of this war motivated you to oppose it , sorry this will not find ears to hear your voices as those who run the war they have no attentions whatsoever of human tragedy on “a quagmire land”.
So now the we staying in Iraq because of Iran, and the war lasting for more years to come as Iran its permanent neighbour to Iraq unless somehow Iran vanish from the map?
Posted by: Salah at April 14, 2008 03:08 PMIn one post Helena Cobban summarizes our situation in Iraq and its likely outcome. Not an untypical performance for her.
This comment will probably be lost in what is now a stale thread, but I say "Helena for Congress"! You would be a candidate we could vote for with enthusiasm rather than as the best of two not so great choices. You'd be a great Congressperson. It would probably have to be from somewhere other than Virginia, though.
Shirin, hope you keep those reports from the Middle East coming.
Posted by: No Preference at April 14, 2008 05:03 PMThe "Vets For Freedom" is a group of opportunists allied with the Republican Party and Senator Lieberman.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Vets_for_Freedom_Action_Fund