Perhaps it was also a sense of justice which led the English to intervene on behalf of a chief against rebellious subjects, and to uphold an authority which it has once recognized, though here again, if the chief's oppression is at the root of the outbreak, he may be called upon to temporarily surrender much of his preprogative to a British officer. The Roman senate on the contrary seems not to have disliked such disturbances, as they tended to weaken the country and place it more at Rome's mercy. With the same motive the [Roman] senate divided kingdoms when occasion offered, whereas the British Government has intervened at times to prevent the disintegration of a client state...I guess another thing that is worth noting here is the influence that a British style of classical-based education had on successive generations of the young men who grew up in its orbit. Here in my present home in the US, when people talk about the roots in antiquity of "Western civilization" they tend to get into a lot of fairly abstract discussion about Ancient Greece, and the roots of democracy. I don't, to be frank, remember British people of my father's generation ever talking much about anything as airy-fairy as "Western civilization", at all. But when they were out there, doing-- or analyzing the doings of-- Empire, the classical-era model that they had most in mind was Rome, not Greece. The Rome, that is, laws, of sound public administration, and fine achievements in engineering, more than the Greece of ontological discussions (and of warring city states, and naked athletes cavorting in their hippodromes.)
* [Regarding Britain's occupation of Egypt in the 19th century:] "Occupation, singlehanded, was the work of a moment... But occupation had tremendous drawbacks. It constituted, in Lord Salisbury's words, an 'intolerable hamper' on relations with France, Turkey, and Russia, and gave Germany gratuitous chances to play on these antagonisms. Soon, everyone except Jingoes and land-grabbers wanted to get out... Once in, it was difficult to get out, and soon two compelling motives for staying began to appear. First, regeneration of the Khedive's government was not a matter of months or a year or two, as had been hoped... " (p.17)So I guess what I am trying to say here, too, is that I find all the attention that is given, within the US policy discourse on Iraq, to the mere military mechanics of of what's happening there to be highly insufficient. US citizens and others who want to try to understand what's going on in Iraq today need to focus much more on the politics of imperial rule -- as it ever has been, from the days of the Roman hegemon right through to today. And certainly, studying what happened politically during the lengthy periods of imperial rule the world has seen in the past-- in the Middle East and elsewhere-- seems much more useful than studying merely the mere tactics that were used during the last, fading days of certain imperial ventures. In particular, the current vogue among US military people for studying the French "counter-insurgency" campaigns in Algeria or Vietnam seems particularly misguided: In both those cases the French may have "won" two, or six, or two hundred military battles on the battlefield-- but at the end of the day, at the strategic-political level, they definitively lost both wars.
*Egyptians saw partial independence as a "sham…since the independence they were given amounted to independence to do right, but not independence to do wrong, in situations in which the sole arbiter of right and wrong was Great Britain." (p.72)* (p.140: quoting from T.E. Lawrence in 1919-20:) "With percipience, Lawrence put his finger on the local milieu that was and is the key factor of successful dis-imperialism.
"In pursuing such courses [getting out of empire] we will find our best helpers not in our former most obedient subjects, but among those now most active in agitating against us, for it will be the intellectual leaders of the people who will serve the purpose, and these are not the philosophers nor the rich, but the demagogues and the politicians."
"The alternative is to hold on to them with ever-lessening force, till the anarchy is too expensive, and we let go."
Helena,
The Palestinians or Iraqis of today should be as lucky!
Yah they are the luckiest people on this earth!!
back in old days when we reading our Iraqi history and went from Roman wars in ME, then the Abassy time followed by bloody years of war on the ground of Iraq I recall saying the Mesopotamian land is a fertilized land because of the bodies and blood that fall on Iraqi ground a long Iraqi history....
One day when I was spoken to one of western friend and discussing US invasion of Iraq, he admitting that most Britt’s are prod of their history of British Impair and the invading of other land a round the world, but he said now we knew its wrong but our school teach us with pride our imperial history....
1. Is the Indian Civil Service part of empire? I.e., does it represent imperial activity? If not, then what is it? Similarly with the Colonial Civil Service, the Palestine Civil Service, etc. Should these be filed under 'imperialism'? If not, then how should they be labelled? What about all the reminiscences of overseas administrators, held, for example,in Cambridge? If I were looking for them, should I look under 'imperialism', 'colonialism' or what?
2. What about Roman law, the Latin language & it literature, the Roman road system (which underlies e.g., the French & British road networks), Roman aqueducts, the Roman foundations of so many Continental & British cities & towns (including London, Paris, Vienna etc.)? The Romance languages? Are all these part of a history of the Roman Empire? If not, then what are they?
3. There is, of course, no parallel to any of the above in the American universe. Does that mean it doesn't exist? If indeed all the above _did_ in fact exist at one time, what does that tell us about what Americans, in their myopia & ignorance, grandly call their govt's 'imperialism'? As it's _American_, it cannot, of course, be anything so crass as jingoism or short-sighted military adventures, of course...
Posted by: Sudha Shenoy at January 20, 2007 01:36 AMHelena
You may recall my distress at the sideshow/ mission creep in Somalia during Christmas.
Here is the outcome.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200701190517.html
I am wary of vacuua. Fools tend to rush in where angels fear to tread.
The most touching thoughts that unleash the US strategy in the ME
إلى خلق توازنات تضمن مصالحها في: النفط وإسرائيل.
تُحرِّض الولايات المتحدة، العرب على العرب، والعرب على إيران، ولبنان على سوريا وأثيوبيا على الصومال، و«فتح» على «حماس» والسُنة على الشيعة، والشيعة على السُنة مرّة بالاستفزاز ومرّة بالقهر، وهذه جميعها مكونات تاريخية أصيلة في الشرق الأوسط، من أجل حماية «التدخل الخارجي» الأكثر خطورة على المنطقة: أميركا وإسرائيل. من مهازل التاريخ أن يتحول اللص الأميركي حامياً للبيت العربي، والاستعمار الجديد حارساً لحدود الأمة!
أميركا المتشدّدة بالعروبة ضـد الفـرس والخـوارج!
سليمان تقي الدين
أميركا المتشدّدة بالعروبة ضـد الفـرس والخـوارج
Translation:
United State strives today, despite beating the drums of war, to create a balance to ensure its interests in: oil and Israel.
The Arabs against the Arabs, and Arabs against Iran, and Lebanon against Syria and Ethiopia against Somalia, and “Fatah” against “Hamas”, the Sunnis against the Shiites, the Shiites against the Sunnis, once provocative and once outrage, and these are all components of a genuine historic in the Middle East, for the protection of the “external interference” more dangerous for the region: Israel and the United States.
The farcical history that turns thief American protector of the Arab house, and neo-colonialism guard for the borders of the Arab nation!
Posted by: Salah at January 20, 2007 07:19 AMIs Alfred Cobban, the historian of France, an uncle or other relation?
Posted by: JHM at January 20, 2007 12:30 PMTwo-Thirds of U.S. Opposed to Bush's Iraq Surge Plan, Poll Says
By Greg Stohr
Democracy from the people to the people!!!
ينسى المسلمون اسرائيل ومخاطر الاستعمار، ليعود السني ينظر الى الشيعي، وبالعكس، باعتباره اكبر تحد له، ولتعود حالات التكفير والتبديع تمزق جسد الامة ووحدتها». وحذر من «الخطة الماكرة التي تحول مؤشر البوصلة الاسلامية من عدوه الحقيقي الى عدو وهمي... الجمهورية الاسلامية الايرانية التي سعت لتطبيق الاسلام على كل حياتها وحمت القضية الاسلامية كلها مدافعة عنها دونما نفس طائفي او قومي او استعلائ
Posted by: David at January 21, 2007 05:30 AM'Fakhr-Avar describes his blueprint for how to topple the regime. If the West launches a military attack on Iran , “The top brass will flee immediately. People will come out onto the streets protesting, why are we being bombed? Many of the regime’s mid-level officials will shave their beards, don ties and join the (civilians) on the streets.”'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3354536,00.html
Here we go again!
Posted by: David at January 21, 2007 05:42 AM"It's easy to condemn the vulgarity of the settler from Hebron, and it's easy to dismiss the Jewish enclave there as a gang of violent thugs. But they are only weeds that sprout from the rotten ground of the cruel regime that prevails beyond the Green Line. It's a regime based on ethnic discrimination and separation, double standards and an absence of the rule of law."
"The outrage over the woman's crude tirade is just a distraction from the reality that prevails beyond the Green Line, where life is ostensibly normal. It won't be long before it's the liberals who are seeking to have the Green Line erased from the maps, once it has been permanently transformed from a symbol of the aspiration for peace to a line delineating the realms of apartheid."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/815284.html
Posted by: David at January 21, 2007 06:00 AM"The saddest thing is that you need know next to nothing about Somalia (or Afghanistan, or the Pakistani border areas, or Iran, or even Iraq) to know that worse is to come, that each brief moment of administration "success" carries the seeds of its own future failure."
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=158512
Posted by: John C. at January 21, 2007 10:27 AMDuring the last four years of invasion of Iraq, there are some thing surfaces tell what happening there with the tension between US and Iran.
When US raise her tone on Iran and its proxies in Iraq, to the point that all expected there will be big fight and fire. but suddenly all goes down and things settled.
What we see it’s more interesting and concerned after it settled is more Iraqi slaughtering, massacres and war crimes of Iraqis, looks “Hell's Fire” on Iraqi is regain more fire.....
So looks there is a scenario that US when she is not happy about the outcome on the ground in Iraq that upsets here and she goes mad, she reflected in her loud voices about Iran.
Wait and see and watch.