Juan Rocks, too!


Posted by Helena Cobban
April 4, 2005 11:15 PM EST | Link
Filed in Culture

Catching up with my reading here. I only just got down to this great post, "The Other Pope", in which Juan Cole pulled together many facts about the late Pope's political positions that were highly inconvenient to the US rightwingers who try to claim him as their own...

Including on Palestine, worker's rights, the death penalty, the Iraq invasion, etc etc.

Great work.



Comments
Comment from... Christiane, at April 5, 2005 08:53 AM:

A- The las Pope made several good points, for instance
1) he criticized all wars, including the war in Iraq against which he made public statements,
2) he condemned the death penalty in the US and elsewhere,
3) he condemned all racism and publicly said antisemitism was wrong (although he stopped short of recognizing how the position of the previous pope, especially Pie X could have encouraged some of it),
4) he developped more relationships with the churches of developping countries'
5) Juan Cole adds that he condemned the excesses of liberalism, but he did often equate this more with liberals customs (sexual liberation), than with the distribution of wealth IMO.

B- But on another side, he took very conservative positions on social and family issues
1) He largely contributed to the spreading of AIDS by the prohibition of the use of the preservatives.
2) He condemned the theology of liberation in South America, where the Vatican most of the time agreed with the bishops who supported dictatorships against those who were siding with the people. From his experiences in East Europe, he was blinded by anti-communism.
3) He refused to recognize the equality of men and women and refused to allow the ordination of women as priesters.
4) He kept condamning homosexuality and the right to contraception and abortion.
5) He nominated a lot of conservative bishops and cardinals. Here some communities revolted against Jean Paul II, refusing the conservative bishops (in the end after say 5-10 years, the Vatican had to backtrack and to displace the contested bishops elsewhere). There are so many conservative cardinals in the conclave now, that we are bound to get another conservative pope.

C- To sum it up, I think that many of the conservative positions of Jean Paul II harmed the third world countries. They also turned away many progressive people in Europe. Not being a religious person, the first surely is more serious than the second.

D- Juan Cole did a good job showing how Bush is using the death of the Pope to promote his own agenda.
I heard Bush's statement Sunday evening and I was shocked by his shameful try to fish for catholic and other religious voices and to recuperate the positive image of the Pope in his favor. He said mainly that the Pope was a defensor of freedom and a defensor of life, as if Bush's policies and the Pope's positions were one and the same.
I'm also shocked that he will be present at the burrying of the Pope : Bush is not a catholic after all, it's none of his business; it's just political spin and exploitation of the fame of someone else and of someone who was often very critical of Bush's action. Now for sure, Bush ought to be envious of Jean Paul II. He will never get that many persons mourning for his own death in the entire world.

Finally, I was also shocked when in this TV interview he presented "his sympathy to all the people of Europe". Apparently he doesn't know that South America's catholics are the first in number and that in Africa there are also millions of catholics. Do they count less ? don't they deserve Bush's sympathy as well ? Frankly, he would be better inspired to stay at home and away from Roma. Plus he will impose so many security measures in the city that it can only hurt the 2 millions of people who want to attend to the burrial themselves with much more sincere reasons. The presence of the US ambassadors in Roma would be sufficient, if it wasn't for all the spin.

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