'Just World News' with Helena Cobban: "That place"

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« Sistani and the prospect for Iraqi elections \| JWN front page \| Bush: AWOL on Haiti » "That place" Posted by Helena Cobban September 24, 2004 8:23 PM EST \| Link Filed in Hawkwatch So for Rumsfeld, Iraq today became "that place". As in: "Any implication that that place needs to be peaceful and perfect before we can reduce coalition and U.S. forces would be unwise... " I guess that's the kind of self-distancing locution one uses when one hates being pestered with questions about the subject at hand? Perhaps, because one has some flickerings of shame or uncertainty about one's past decisions with regard to it? As in this January 1998 statement: "I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Well, as they say: Clinton lied, and no-one died. But as for Rumsfeld and his buddies????? Maybe "that place" will continue to haunt Rumsfeld for some time to come... Do you think his conscience is starting to get to him? « Sistani and the prospect for Iraqi elections \| JWN front page \| Bush: AWOL on Haiti » Comments Comment from... Shirin, at September 25, 2004 01:12 AM: "Do you think his conscience is starting to get to him?" In a word, no. Sociopaths don't have consciences. Comment from... martin, at September 25, 2004 10:30 AM: I think that what hasn't been commented on is Rumsfeld's idea of democracy. What if there were riots next week in Watts, LA, for example? Should there be no voting there during November? Or what if there were huge anti-Bush protests in New York? Should NY residents then be disenfranchised? It throws more light on the backers of this administration's true idea of what democracy should involve. Already African-americans have been systematically disenfranchised in parts of Florida, and possibly elsewhere also. Democracy can only be valid, or legitimate, with a universal franchise. Comment from... Texas Holdem, at October 11, 2004 05:23 PM: This is a lot easier then you might think. The first time I went to a poker site, like most of you, I was very eager to get started immediately. Texas Holdem or Online Texas Hold em and Hold em or texas hold em poker and texas hold em strategy Comment from... Levitra, at October 11, 2004 05:24 PM: Levitra - Buy Levitra Comment from... Levitra, at October 20, 2004 05:40 AM: Levitra - Buy Levitra	Recent Posts on JWN • My IPS piece on dimming peace prospects (1) • Rahm Emanuel's disturbing view of US role (26) • Obama's peacemaking pledge-- to the world (35) • Obama: Peace in US interest (5) • Discussing Palestine, Israel, Iraq on Bloggingheads (0) • Long knives, Washington, Afghanistan, part 2 (7) • Long knives out in Washington over Afghanistan (3) • Amal Saad-Ghorayeb responds (10) • NATO and Lebanon (16) • IPS piece on Obama-Netanyahu tussle over priorities (0) • Gaza police and noncombatant immunity (46) • Gaza, the Obama administration, and the present (4) • Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, "benchmarks" (2) • Barak: Iran not existential threat (0) • Garlasco, suspended with full pay (15) • Me, speaking Sept 24 at Middle East Institute (3) • Goldstone Commission reports on Gaza-war war-crimes (23) • Another blunt No from Netanyahu (30) • Ramadan t.v. offerings, 2009 (2) • I-P: Borders first-- and fast? (4) • A testimony the world needs to hear (2) • Garlasco, part 3 (32) • Malley on refugees, settlers, etc (7) • In 2009, as 2001: US needs Iran, Russia (3) • IPS piece on the rights war over Gaza (3) • Garlasco, part 2 (20) • Continuing bad news for US/NATO in Afghanistan (4) • Marc Garlasco's little "hobby" (71) • Trashing one-staters with Hussein Ibish (12) • 500 new settlement homes in Jerusalem... (12) • When election results are disputed: Afghanistan, etc (6) • B'tselem's figures on Gaza assault toll (8) • American power has limits? Who knew? (13) • Israel's assault on Gaza: The final toll (1) • Hamas-related negotiations moving forward? (1) • Sweden, and the Israel-linked organs story (18) • Qtube-- what a resource! (2) • Cook and Elam on Israel's organ-removal problems (48) • "The White House regrets... " (48) • Lessons from the Soviet experience in Afghanistan (9) • IPS analysis of Iraq and related regional tensions (1) • Visser goes 2.0 (8) • More on Norway's targeted divestment (14) • Pat Lang on the dangerous, continued rise of 'COIN'-mania (8) • Bravo, Norway! (6) • An exiled Palestinian visits "home" (20) • Israel releases nine of 32 Hamas legislators (2) • Why Blair wants Dahlan to retake Gaza? (0) • Afghanistan debate: The missing international ingredient (9) • State-building: Palestine (3)

"That place"

Posted by Helena Cobban
September 24, 2004 8:23 PM EST | Link
Filed in Hawkwatch

So for Rumsfeld, Iraq today became "that place". As in:

that place

I guess that's the kind of self-distancing locution one uses when one hates being pestered with questions about the subject at hand? Perhaps, because one has some flickerings of shame or uncertainty about one's past decisions with regard to it?

As in this January 1998 statement:

that woman

Well, as they say: Clinton lied, and no-one died. But as for Rumsfeld and his buddies?????

Maybe "that place" will continue to haunt Rumsfeld for some time to come...

Do you think his conscience is starting to get to him?

Comments

Comment from... Shirin, at September 25, 2004 01:12 AM:

"Do you think his conscience is starting to get to him?"

In a word, no. Sociopaths don't have consciences.

Comment from... martin, at September 25, 2004 10:30 AM:

I think that what hasn't been commented on is Rumsfeld's idea of democracy. What if there were riots next week in Watts, LA, for example? Should there be no voting there during November? Or what if there were huge anti-Bush protests in New York? Should NY residents then be disenfranchised?
It throws more light on the backers of this administration's true idea of what democracy should involve. Already African-americans have been systematically disenfranchised in parts of Florida, and possibly elsewhere also. Democracy can only be valid, or legitimate, with a universal franchise.

Comment from... Texas Holdem, at October 11, 2004 05:23 PM:

This is a lot easier then you might think. The first time I went to a poker site, like most of you, I was very eager to get started immediately.
Texas Holdem or Online Texas Hold em and Hold em or texas hold em poker and texas hold em strategy

Comment from... Levitra, at October 11, 2004 05:24 PM:

Levitra - Buy Levitra

Comment from... Levitra, at October 20, 2004 05:40 AM:

Levitra - Buy Levitra

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